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| 00:47:55 [Anchakor] | I just got an idea - could rdf stores be secured against the hosting provider by encrypting the triples using asym. keys? |
| 00:50:26 [Anchakor] | hmm but it would work only for graphs - no sparql |
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| 00:52:23 [Anchakor] | anyway Im off to sleep now... there is always tomorrow to think |
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| 01:38:53 [melvster] | Anchakor: you could encrypt the sparql query terms too, then run it through some kind of parser that queries the encrypted triplestore so every triple s p o becomes e(s) e(p) e(o), you need this also in the sparql, maybe the bnodes and namespaces get a bit mangled though, not sure ... |
| 01:38:54 [phenny] | melvster: 11 Mar 06:47Z <mhausenblas> tell melvster re pushback auth - thanks! and see http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/logger-sioc-rdfa/swig/2009-03-11.html#T06-10-35 for comments |
| 01:42:04 [melvster] | mhausenblas: good point, what i meant was RDF source and non RDF destination, will explain tomorrow :) |
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| 05:43:26 [mhausenblas] | good morning Web of Data |
| 05:46:52 [dajobe] | it's not morning yet over here... |
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| 06:15:03 [Anchakor] | phenny: tell melvster, yeah, but downside of encrypting individual nodes (instead of triples) would be that it could be really weak against statistic attack - guessing most used nodes |
| 06:15:04 [phenny] | Anchakor: I'll pass that on when melvster is around. |
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| 06:52:33 [mhausenblas] | dajobe: no? why are you up then :) |
| 06:52:53 [mhausenblas] | dajobe, thanks again for adding the WoD DAU blog |
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| 08:42:22 [eisi__] | Does anyone of you know about a example on how to connect one of the more popular public ontologies like wine oder pizza with RDFa? Isn't RDFa meant to be a way to insert individuals into an ontology? |
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| 08:45:34 [mhausenblas] | right, so re pushback's RDForm/fusion: the first prototype is now available at http://ld2sd.deri.org/pushback/fusion/ |
| 08:46:55 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: what do you mean with 'connect' |
| 08:49:10 [mhausenblas] | RDFa is a way to deploy an RDF graph in HTML. don't confuse schema level with instance level ;) |
| 08:51:02 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: have a look at http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials first and then you may wanna come back? |
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| 08:53:24 [eisi__] | I'll try not to mix it up :) I know the tutorials-site, I'll have a look if there's an example online which might explain my question better |
| 08:53:53 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: you are not totally wrong re 'to insert individuals into an ontology' |
| 08:54:09 [mhausenblas] | but why wasting time with wine or pizza? |
| 08:54:17 [mhausenblas] | think a long real stuff |
| 08:54:29 [eisi__] | hehe I love pizza _and_ wine, it's just the most famous examples out there ;-) |
| 08:54:38 [eisi__] | I'm working on a ontology for requirements engineering |
| 08:54:39 [mhausenblas] | we have wasted the past 8 years anyway in focusing on these toy examples |
| 08:54:52 [mhausenblas] | good. that sounds better ;) |
| 08:54:57 [eisi__] | hehe okay, I'll never mention those again :) |
| 08:55:04 [mhausenblas] | even better! |
| 08:55:05 [mhausenblas] | ;) |
| 08:55:17 [mhausenblas] | so, what you actually wanna do is: |
| 08:55:28 [mhausenblas] | 1. identify/create a vocabulary |
| 08:55:41 [mhausenblas] | (voc and onto is interchangeable) |
| 08:55:57 [mhausenblas] | I prefer voc as it seems simpler and most often means: non-OWL |
| 08:56:05 [mhausenblas] | RDF Schema only, you get it? |
| 08:56:06 [eisi__] | okay, simple example with requirements-stuff: You have a requirement "A" which is based on 5 frameworks. I have a corresponding class for the requirements and a "isBasedOn"-objectproperty |
| 08:57:06 [mhausenblas] | ok |
| 08:57:15 [eisi__] | yes, I have my vocabulary so far, maybe not complete, but hey :) |
| 08:57:21 [mhausenblas] | good! |
| 08:57:26 [mhausenblas] | so, next: |
| 08:57:31 [mhausenblas] | you want to deploy it |
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| 08:57:57 [mhausenblas] | so, you think about what your main target is |
| 08:58:48 [eisi__] | I want xhtml/rdfa to help me doing this: I have a html-text (which is a simple plain requirement-text), I want to add RDFa around it to tell it "A" is a requirement. "A" is based on (isBasedOn-property) this and that... |
| 08:58:56 [mhausenblas] | very good |
| 08:59:07 [eisi__] | So it is possible ja? ;) |
| 08:59:09 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: I'd suggest you post it to public-rdfa list |
| 08:59:12 [mhausenblas] | sure!!! |
| 08:59:16 [eisi__] | Hehe fine :) |
| 08:59:27 [eisi__] | So that's what I wanted to express with my first question |
| 08:59:30 [mhausenblas] | one example on the schema level is: |
| 08:59:39 [mhausenblas] | .g scovo rdf |
| 08:59:39 [phenny] | mhausenblas: http://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html |
| 08:59:42 [mhausenblas] | yep |
| 09:00:38 [mhausenblas] | that's actually a schema defined in RDFa |
| 09:00:40 [mhausenblas] | ;) |
| 09:01:02 [eisi__] | okay let me have a look, where's the RDFa :) |
| 09:01:56 [eisi__] | aaaah! very nice |
| 09:04:54 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas BIAB |
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| 09:27:28 [eisi__] | mhausenblas: I think I got it, what I meant with "instance" is the typeof attribute. What I want to to is sth like <div typeof="Requirement"><h1>A super requirement</h1> even more foo about my requirement! <p property="isBasedOn">bases on</p> $next_requirement_div </div> |
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| 09:36:12 [mhausenblas] | what would the RDF triple look like? |
| 09:36:22 [mhausenblas] | should look like, so to say, eisi__ |
| 09:37:14 [eisi__] | I would say: "A super requirement" isBasedOn $next_requirement... |
| 09:37:21 [mhausenblas] | ok. gimme a sec |
| 09:37:31 [mhausenblas] | I'll put an example online, right? |
| 09:37:47 [eisi__] | if you have time I appreciate it very much :) |
| 09:37:58 [mhausenblas] | sure, that's what I'm here for ;) |
| 09:38:05 [eisi__] | nice job ;) |
| 09:38:20 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas is the RDFa first-level support on #swig :D |
| 09:38:25 [eisi__] | hehe :) |
| 09:38:41 [mhausenblas] | you owe me a beer, then, you know that, right? ;) |
| 09:38:54 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas firing up ftp |
| 09:39:22 [eisi__] | If you're in or near Bavaria you can have it pretty soon ;-) |
| 09:39:29 [tobyink] | Coal-powered FTP client? |
| 09:39:54 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas slaps tobyink with 20k DBpedia triples |
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| 09:40:12 [tobyink] | ouch |
| 09:40:18 [mhausenblas] | please people, let me work, now ;) |
| 09:40:44 [tobyink] | I thought this *was* your work. |
| 09:40:56 [mhausenblas] | ;) |
| 09:41:02 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas editing RDFa |
| 09:41:20 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas notes: really hard working conditions |
| 09:41:34 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: did you check out the pushback fusion, yet? |
| 09:41:43 [mhausenblas] | just went out via RDFa list ... |
| 09:42:30 [eisi__] | mhausenblas: I can't image better working conditions than getting paid by _beer_ :) |
| 09:42:53 [tobyink] | Not yet - only been keeping half an eye on pushback, but looks interesting. |
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| 09:44:35 [melvster] | mhausenblas: I changed this to == Authentication for the non RDF destination == (s/source/destination) it was a bit confusing before |
| 09:44:36 [phenny] | melvster: 06:15Z <Anchakor> tell melvster yeah, but downside of encrypting individual nodes (instead of triples) would be that it could be really weak against statistic attack - guessing most used nodes |
| 09:44:53 [mhausenblas] | ta melvster |
| 09:45:00 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: http://www.thomas-eisenbarth.de/ontologies/2009/0/ON-RT.owl doesn't deref |
| 09:45:04 [eisi__] | uh |
| 09:45:07 [eisi__] | you're right |
| 09:45:07 [mhausenblas] | put it at that location ;) |
| 09:45:15 [eisi__] | firing up scp ... ;-) |
| 09:46:50 [eisi__] | done |
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| 09:48:41 [mhausenblas] | ok, eisi__ |
| 09:49:03 [mhausenblas] | now serve it with the right media type ... |
| 09:49:04 [mhausenblas] | :) |
| 09:50:47 [eisi__] | hm, which one? |
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| 09:51:22 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: application/rdf+xml |
| 09:51:27 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: see http://sw-app.org/rdfa/req-example.html |
| 09:51:31 [mhausenblas] | does this help? |
| 09:52:19 [eisi__] | okay, I need just a second to find out howto tell the apache in this shared hosting-environment thing |
| 09:52:29 [tobyink] | OK, so I press "generate form" and I get some non-well-formed XML generated. Then I click "preview" and a big black box opens up with a white rectangle in it? |
| 09:53:01 [tobyink] | eisi__: in .htaccess "AddType application/rdf+xml .owl" |
| 09:53:24 [mhausenblas] | eisi__: or http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http://sw-app.org/rdfa/req-example.html |
| 09:53:31 [mhausenblas] | if you prefer RDF/XML |
| 09:53:39 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: |
| 09:54:01 [mhausenblas] | so, do you use the default values |
| 09:54:05 [mhausenblas] | or something else? |
| 09:54:41 [mhausenblas] | * mhausenblas notes that this is the very first prototype thought to elicit feedback on the fusion process |
| 09:54:54 [mhausenblas] | not a product one could readily use out of the box ;) |
| 09:55:10 [eisi__] | thanks tobyink |
| 09:55:35 [tobyink] | default values |
| 09:56:00 [mhausenblas] | so, the output should be a RDFa decorated HTML form |
| 09:56:02 [mhausenblas] | no? |
| 09:56:08 [Leaving] | is there a channel about Protege? |
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| 09:57:01 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: what is non-well formed. I don't get it ... |
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| 09:57:03 [eisi__] | Leaving: maybe I can help you, what's your question? |
| 09:57:07 [mhausenblas] | seems ok to me |
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| 09:57:29 [Leaving] | this means no, right? |
| 09:57:33 [tobyink] | There is some RDFa output, but the form has no input elements inside it (just two nested DIVs) and no </form> tag to close it. |
| 09:57:47 [tobyink] | Tested in Firefox (2) and Opera (10) |
| 09:57:57 [Leaving] | is there a console version of protege> |
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| 09:58:17 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: you're right, missed the /form |
| 09:58:21 [mhausenblas] | damn ;) |
| 09:58:30 [mhausenblas] | yeah, true, the rest is missing :) |
| 09:58:46 [mhausenblas] | too much to do now to implement it, but on weekend |
| 09:58:53 [eisi__] | Leaving: a console version? uhm, the sense of the tool is that it is graphical, what do you want to do? |
| 09:59:20 [mhausenblas] | the thing is that I *think* I have now a generic fusion algorithm |
| 09:59:31 [Leaving] | this means no, right? |
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| 10:00:17 [mhausenblas] | so, tobyink, you are right with all the things, but these are really minor issues to me given the overall task getting my head through processing RDF+HTML in parallel to create the RDForm ;) |
| 10:00:45 [mhausenblas] | so, I guess, I maybe was to early in announcing it ;( |
| 10:00:58 [mhausenblas] | but I really want feedback on the fusion process |
| 10:01:11 [mhausenblas] | and it is rather hard to discuss if there is nothing on the table |
| 10:01:17 [mhausenblas] | beside a Wiki entry |
| 10:01:43 [mhausenblas] | now, tobyink, we have running (even if not entirely good) code on which bases we can discuss |
| 10:01:49 [mhausenblas] | you get the point? |
| 10:03:07 [tobyink] | Sorry, but not really. Can't say that I fully understand the diagramme on the wiki page. Hopefully when there is working code I'll be able to look at it and have that "aha!" moment. |
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| 10:04:22 [mhausenblas] | yes! |
| 10:04:30 [mhausenblas] | you got it tobyink -you're my hero ;) |
| 10:04:41 [mhausenblas] | btw, fixed the form close tag sutff ;) |
| 10:05:59 [tobyink] | The form is still empty though (apart from a couple of DIVs). If I copy and paste the input elements from the html form to the rdf form where I think they're supposed to go, will that make the preview work? |
| 10:07:07 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: as I said ... I have to implement it for all field type values (select, textarea, etc.) |
| 10:07:38 [mhausenblas] | BUT: the principle fusion algorithm (RDF-graph driven + HTML @id lookup) is in place |
| 10:07:39 [dc_swig] | Label BUT not found. |
| 10:07:39 [mhausenblas] | ok? |
| 10:07:48 [mhausenblas] | shut up, bot ;) |
| 10:08:29 [mhausenblas] | I'd be more than happy if someone does it better :D |
| 10:09:02 [mhausenblas] | as I said, I'm no developer and this was really painful for me; took me two days (to be fair, I was not familiar with rdfquery and jQuery before) |
| 10:09:10 [tobyink] | Have read this now - http://esw.w3.org/topic/PushBackDataToLegacySourcesRDForms - and think I more or less understand the idea. |
| 10:09:19 [mhausenblas] | really? great! |
| 10:09:47 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: did you read http://esw.w3.org/topic/PushBackDataToLegacySourcesFusion as well? |
| 10:10:09 [tobyink] | Not yet |
| 10:10:26 [mhausenblas] | not too much there but the general structure of the fusion process |
| 10:10:40 [mhausenblas] | feel free to add comments, note stuff or ask inline :) |
| 10:11:04 [tobyink] | OK, so the idea is this (correct me if I'm wrong) an HTML form is annotated (automatically??) with RDFa in order to generate a bunch of triples that describe the form. |
| 10:11:33 [tobyink] | Then a user agent can look at these triples and decide how to pump data into the form, and thus onto the website which the form belongs to. |
| 10:11:51 [mhausenblas] | simply put: yes :) |
| 10:12:07 [mhausenblas] | as you know we have SPARQL Update |
| 10:12:26 [mhausenblas] | but only very few real-world site have triple stores, right? |
| 10:12:34 [mhausenblas] | I personally know none |
| 10:12:40 [mhausenblas] | but they have Web 2.0 APIs |
| 10:12:49 [tobyink] | If the HTML form can be annotated automatically, why does it need to be annotated at all? Why can't the user agent that's pushing the data apply the same techniques directly? |
| 10:13:04 [mhausenblas] | to decouple the process |
| 10:13:16 [mhausenblas] | the (manual) mapping is required once |
| 10:13:24 [mhausenblas] | then there will be write-wrapper |
| 10:13:41 [mhausenblas] | basically the same as DBpedia, flicker wrapper, etc |
| 10:13:45 [mhausenblas] | do for the read-part |
| 10:13:47 [mhausenblas] | right? |
| 10:13:57 [tobyink] | Ah, OK, so there is a mapping between the RDF description of the form, and the RDF data, and that needs to be done manually? |
| 10:14:02 [mhausenblas] | the same can be done for the write-part of the API |
| 10:14:07 [mhausenblas] | yes |
| 10:14:13 [melvster] | I was doing something like this as my first attempt: <input property="foaf:nick" type="text" name="nick" /> then using jquery to grab the foaf:nick and then serialize, seems quite similar to fusion? |
| 10:14:21 [mhausenblas] | *any* vocabulary -> RDForms voc |
| 10:14:41 [mhausenblas] | well, your snippet is a RDForms, yes ;) |
| 10:14:52 [mhausenblas] | and the processing is done generically |
| 10:15:15 [mhausenblas] | without any dependence on the domain vocabualry (such as FOAF here) |
| 10:15:32 [mhausenblas] | that's why we need the mapping ;) |
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| 10:18:33 [melvster] | but i presume the foaf namespace can be also referenced from the document? |
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| 10:21:08 [melvster] | ah i see you're putting in key values for the form elements |
| 10:21:27 [melvster] | what i did was i pulled out the property as the key, and used val() in jQuery for the value |
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| 10:26:32 [mhausenblas] | melvster: might also be possible, you should add to discussion on the Wiki |
| 10:26:50 [mhausenblas] | I'm not claiming that this is the simplest possible solution, yet |
| 10:27:09 [mhausenblas] | but it is (1) generic, that is doesn't depend on the domain vocabualry |
| 10:27:43 [mhausenblas] | and hence the generation AND the parsing can be done in a uniform way |
| 10:27:50 [mhausenblas] | (2) it seems to work |
| 10:27:52 [mhausenblas] | ;) |
| 10:28:26 [melvster] | that's always a plus :) ok will read over it more, need to understand rdfa better, it's an important technique |
| 10:30:11 [mhausenblas] | thanks melvster |
| 10:30:26 [mhausenblas] | and put any questions and comments there as well |
| 10:30:37 [mhausenblas] | .. it's a Wiki, at the end of the day ;) |
| 10:31:02 [melvster] | ive been playing around with foaf activity streams: http://foaf.me/activity.php?uri=http://foaf.me/danbri , im trying to extract rss/atom feeds from a FOAF and was wondering the best way, i pull out accounts now, and will do weblogs, i know knowee does seeAlso, is there any standard techniques for discovering activity from an RDF source? |
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| 10:43:32 [tobyink] | melvster: looks at Google's SGAPI? |
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| 10:44:41 [tobyink] | It allows you to put in the a URI for a person (not their URI in the RDF sense, but rather the URI of a page they own) and get back a list of Atom/RSS feeds (amongst other things). |
| 10:45:03 [melvster] | ah yes |
| 10:45:06 [melvster] | good point |
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| 10:46:11 [tobyink] | I have a little RDF vocab that the output of SGAPI can be mapped onto easily - http://buzzword.org.uk/rdf/personal-link-types# |
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| 10:47:06 [melvster] | very nice! |
| 10:48:14 [melvster] | im not sure sgapi said how they do their parsing and processing, last time i looked |
| 10:50:21 [tobyink] | I was meaning to look into it further about a month or so ago and sent myself this link - http://is.gd/n2t9 |
| 10:52:18 [melvster] | oh your homepage is rdfa, nice |
| 10:52:46 [tobyink] | It has been for a month or so. |
| 10:53:07 [tobyink] | SGAPI gets their data through FOAF and hCard+XFN. |
| 10:53:33 [tobyink] | Plus (I imagine) a number of site-specific techniques for some larger sites. |
| 10:54:12 [tobyink] | And by "FOAF" it means tag soup XML with a FOAF namespace declaration. |
| 10:55:04 [mischat] | i think the sgapi people are now using the redland libs |
| 10:55:18 [mischat] | but dont quote me on that, will try and dig up URL in a bit |
| 10:55:37 [mischat] | or am I thinking searchmonkey |
| 10:55:40 [mischat] | mmm |
| 10:59:45 [melvster] | im wondering how they discover which fields are rss or atom |
| 11:01:16 [melvster] | if i can find those fields then i can pass them to a php feed reader (i use simplepie) and then see some kind of activity stream in the foaf-o-sphere |
| 11:03:57 [melvster] | so far foaf:holdsAccount foaf:accountProfilePage and foaf:weblog seem to be quite a good signal |
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| 11:29:45 [Anchakor] | is there any sparql test app testing what features the tested sparql endpoint supports? |
| 11:31:15 [kwijibo] | that would be good |
| 11:32:21 [kwijibo] | i was wondering recently if there was an app for testing compliancy - that it rejects invalid queries, follows the protocol correctly etc |
| 11:33:04 [mischat] | there is a sparql command line tool, which gives you a sql type shell, I use this to check if a sparql endpoint actually speaks the sparql protocol |
| 11:33:05 [mischat] | http://github.com/tialaramex/sparql-query/tree/master |
| 11:33:06 [dc_swig] | A: http://github.com/tialaramex/sparql-query/tree/master from mischat |
| 11:33:20 [mischat] | A:| sparql command line client |
| 11:33:22 [dc_swig] | Titled item A. |
| 11:33:43 [Anchakor] | kwijibo: exactly |
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| 16:17:41 [kasei] | bengee: ping |
| 16:17:51 [bengee] | pong :) |
| 16:18:00 [kasei] | thought this would be easier than twitter |
| 16:18:27 [kasei] | i can load /admin/setup, but the page just has the sidebar on it... no content (and nothing the readme describes, i think) |
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| 16:19:57 [kasei] | i.e. i'm not sure where to "enter the master password" |
| 16:20:09 [bengee] | I see, the root path isn't right for some reason |
| 16:20:41 [bengee] | when you click on "settings", you can see that there's "//" in the URL |
| 16:21:00 [bengee] | something with mod_rewrite then perhaps? |
| 16:21:15 [bengee] | what did you set for the base uri in the .htaccess? |
| 16:22:29 [bengee] | could be a path resolver bug |
| 16:22:38 [kasei] | eek! typo in the .htaccess! |
| 16:22:43 [kasei] | it works now :) |
| 16:22:46 [bengee] | phew |
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| 16:22:54 [kasei] | heh. thanks. |
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| 16:56:48 [mhausenblas] | http://artofsystems.blogspot.com/2009/03/linked-data-end-user-applications.html |
| 16:56:50 [dc_swig] | B: http://artofsystems.blogspot.com/2009/03/linked-data-end-user-applications.html from mhausenblas |
| 16:57:01 [mhausenblas] | B:| Linked Data: End-User Applications? |
| 16:57:02 [dc_swig] | Titled item B. |
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| 16:57:24 [tobyink] | http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mediawiki-patches/relAlternate-semantics.patch |
| 16:57:25 [dc_swig] | C: http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mediawiki-patches/relAlternate-semantics.patch from tobyink |
| 16:57:43 [tobyink] | C:MediaWiki patch: add @about to feed links. |
| 16:57:45 [dc_swig] | Added comment C1. |
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| 16:57:56 [tobyink] | C:|MediaWiki patch: add @about to feed links. |
| 16:57:58 [dc_swig] | Titled item C. |
| 16:58:02 [mhausenblas] | logger ping |
| 16:58:28 [mhausenblas] | dajobe? logger, gone to sleep, again? |
| 16:58:48 [tobyink] | C: rel=alternate really bugs me as a generic way of linking to feeds - the feed is often not a real alternative to the current page. |
| 16:58:50 [dc_swig] | Added comment C2. |
| 16:59:20 [tobyink] | C: in particular, the feeds on MediaWiki sites are actually feeds of recent updates. |
| 16:59:22 [dc_swig] | Added comment C3. |
| 17:00:24 [tobyink] | C: this patch adds to the feed <link> elements about="X" where X is the URI to the HTML version of the recent changes list |
| 17:00:26 [dc_swig] | Added comment C4. |
| 17:04:21 [tobyink] | mhausenblas - still rolling... http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/logger-sioc-rdfa/swig/2009-03-12 |
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| 17:06:15 [mhausenblas] | tobyink: ;) |
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| 19:18:08 [melvster] | The census will put more than 1.4 million people on the federal payroll over the next year, making it the largest peacetime government jobs program ever, according to the Census Bureau. The first 140,000 will start work in April. Most of the rest will be hired early in 2010. |
| 19:18:21 [melvster] | i hope at least one of them knows RDF! |
| 19:27:20 [_psychic_] | and magic. |
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| 20:12:27 [mhausenblas] | nite nite Web of Data |
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| 21:06:21 [Paladine] | does Sir Tim really chat in here? |
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| 21:18:23 [drobilla] | * drobilla steps forward |
| 21:18:28 [drobilla] | I am timblacus |
| 21:19:42 [shellac] | Paladine: Yep. If you can phrase your adulation in the form of a pedantic issue of we architecture, all the better |
| 21:20:46 [drobilla] | awh, you ruined it :) |
| 21:20:48 [shellac] | s/we/web/ (stupid iphone) |
| 21:21:31 [shellac] | :) |
| 21:23:59 [Paladine] | hehe well I was fortunate enough to meet him yesterday, I was one of the people who organised the House of Lords event he attended in London yesterday |
| 21:24:13 [Paladine] | I just found out about this place from a slashdot comment |
| 21:25:43 [Paladine] | this is the project Wendy Hall is working on iirc? |
| 21:26:33 [shellac] | House of lords event? |
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| 21:27:22 [Paladine] | yes he was good enough to join us on the panel to discuss the dangers posed by the use of deep packet inspection to build behavioural profiles for the purpose of behavioural advertising |
| 21:28:02 [shellac] | I guess wendy hall has had a little involvement in sem web stuff, but I guess that's true of many areas of computing |
| 21:28:06 [Paladine] | there is some info on our site as well as lots of press coverage, I can post a link if you like, don't want to break any rules though |
| 21:28:29 [Paladine] | I met Wendy yesterday too, very interesting person |
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| 21:29:04 [shellac] | Oh, I know what you mean. Didn't realize that was at lords |
| 21:29:17 [Paladine] | aye |
| 21:29:26 [Paladine] | was a fantastic meeting |
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| 21:31:34 [shellac] | I might bump into tim tomorrow. Small world |
| 21:32:13 [shellac] | Links are fine, but add a space in front of it to avoid chumping |
| 21:32:16 [Paladine] | he was amazing yesterday, incredibly sincere |
| 21:32:53 [Paladine] | the press release is here but on the main page you can find followup articles https://nodpi.org/2009/03/04/press-release-house-of-lords-round-table-event/ |
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| 22:15:38 [yeonhoo] | hi |
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